|
Post by mrdad on Jun 3, 2007 22:07:59 GMT
"Cos we have so many in I.1.GB I think it would be best if we didn't ask what other teams have what skills to assist with nominations....
...so I am proposing that we base the nominations on the RGL scoreboard (we'll post it here on a seperate thread and on TR) - that way we allow for different leagues and point scoring abilities...without anyone knowing who has what specific skills."
As I said before the nominations could be based on the ranking on the RGL leaderboard. We might want to vary that set of parameters slightly so that everyone gets a turn (or two or more) to be nominated each season.
Maybe we could have a poll on the structure of nominations? These could be the options available to choose from...
a. Nominations based solely on RGL leaderboard b. Nominations based on RGL leaderboard however every team member to be nominated at least once in the season. c. Nominations based on RGL leaderboard however every team member to be nominated at least twice in the season. d. Nominations to be shared equally (either four or five nominations each per season) e. An alternative method for nominations
Last season we had a relatively even group with nine of our eleven members regularly scoring points (see below).
Final Season 15 Leaderboard after Round 10: 1210 - Prodrive Subaru WRT (m10) 1170 - Team Moose Power (m10) 990 - High Gear Racing (multiple10) 904 - MikeW Motorsport (m8) 856 - RekitRallying (m8) 840 - Rallyequip (m8) 770 - Maximum Rallysport (m10) 730 - Sainz one (m10) 704 - BM World Rally Team (m8) 50 - Barcud / mikey (m10) 0 - Now Rallysport (m10)
The top3 were a little ahead of the rest of the pack generally. Some of the lower league (or lower multiple scorers) made up for their lower multiple by scoring more consistently or highly.
This season you might expect that those teams who have joined I.1.GB might struggle a bit (when all of the teams are entered). However, it's good to see that some of the "new" competitors are performing strongly and that Curt, Jamie and BFD are in the points after leg1.
My thoughts are that we should be inclusive in our nominations and, therefore, everyone gets a turn to be nominated - the trick is how many times and what is the process to do that....
Any thoughts?
|
|
|
Post by mrdad on Jun 3, 2007 22:34:34 GMT
Of course, we would need to be flexible and allow for circumstances; for example, it wouldn't make sense to have a system that would nominate Rekit in I.1.GB if he was running his A5 (rather than his N4) which is happening this week. Whatever system we used, we should be able to get the nominations up reasonably quickly (say middle of the week prior) which would allows members to see who is nominated and determine their actions, comments etc. We should also be able to "reject" a nomination (based on circumstances; for example my car is too wrecked to compete next week or my drivers skills aren't suited to next weeks rally) and maybe we could even "challenge" a nomination (also based on circumstances; for example, my driver is really suited to next weeks rally conditions plus I've just bought a new car). I guess once we have a basic system working we can complicate it as much as we like or can manage.... I guess the other thing to note is that, under the current scoring system and based on our current membership, we are unlikely to be able to win the RGL championship.... ....that's another good reason for being inclusive and making sure everyone gets nominated....
|
|
|
Post by rekitrallying on Jun 3, 2007 23:21:59 GMT
I don't really expect to be nominated this season, and probably won't run a 4wd until at least week 4.
Personally I don't think 3 nominations from I.1.GB makes any sense whilst Stobart is so dominant as it means that the best one of those nominations can hope for is 100 RGL points, where as an m8 team can get 120 or 96 for 2nd or 3rd and probably be more consistent about geting them.
Obviously that has the possible downside that only 5 or 6 teams will get nominated during the season, though I'd just say that means the rest need to get better (including me).
|
|
|
Post by mrdad on Jun 4, 2007 0:04:46 GMT
You make a good point about the points available in I.1.GB Rekit. Stobart has been really consistent... P4 in I.1.GB is worth 100 points P2 in m8 league is worth 120 points but P3 is only worth 96 points.....so If we assume that Stobart wins (mostly) a m8 team would have to be aiming for P2 to beat the points potentially available for our I.1.GB team (at P4) - although there may be a bit more upside in the m8 teams ability to score points... Mind you, we only have Hurricane (who's doing quite nicely) and Joe (with the new mini A8) in this category of m8 this season so it may be a moot point....both of these teams should be good points scorers for us this season. That suggests that to maximise our points we might go (based on last seasons form and allowing for changes): The consistent top2 in I.1.GB (Vivski and Dingardo) Heix (a high scorer in I.1.EST) two other teams that look good in that particular week (choose from other teams in I.1.GB, Hurricane and Joe) How about that?
|
|
|
Post by rekitrallying on Jun 4, 2007 0:31:42 GMT
Partly it is a decision of do we want max points or max participation?
I think the 4 pts between m10 4th and m8 3rd is fairly irrelevent, the m8 3rd will i suspect occur more often.
Having looked at who is in II.2GB, where I was last season, I suspect that at least for the early rounds Joe should be able to get 2nd or 3rd fairly easily. There are only 2 other A8s entered so far, and sweeper isn't that quick. If other teams upgrade then things could change, but the Reid MS car will be upgraded too by then.
I'm inclined to say the nominees should be: Heix Hurricane Joe + 2 from I.1.GB. Mainly Vivski and Dingardo, but maybe Wombat RT and Maximum Rallysport also depending on surface.
|
|
|
Post by mrdad on Jun 4, 2007 0:48:58 GMT
OK - a very diplomatic response ;D Sounds like we are on the same sort of track there.... We'll see what the others have got to say.... The only thing I'm unsure of is Joes mini car - I haven't had much experience with mini cars (preferring to buy an older MAXI instead) but the little experience I've had suggested to me that they break more readily until they get to MAXI.... Anyone got any comments on mini v MAXI?
|
|
|
Post by rekitrallying on Jun 4, 2007 1:01:01 GMT
I tend to buy all maxi cars as well (or buy and upgrade without using), so can't really comment much on reliability.
I think Rallyequip started last season with a mini N4 in II.2.GB so you could look at his finishing record. My only real direct experience is of the N1 I bought within hours of starting before I discovered the auction and used A5s, I used it whilst upgrading and don't remember it as being unreliable.
|
|
|
Post by Vivski on Jun 4, 2007 8:41:52 GMT
I'd say go with the best 5 of your judging as a default. You know me, Jason, Heigo, Bart, Len and Mitch are going to be near the pointy end more times than not. But let everyone nominate a round where they'll run their best car on their best surface to get maximum points while representing the team. Then you can decide when and where to slot them in. Some may not want to be nominated, others will not be in a position to be nominated (outside the points). I don't really care about the points... it's more about doing the best you can for the team when you get the opportunity. That might mean putting an extra few grand in to make sure the car is in tip-top shape or running the A8 when you might otherwise opt for a slower car for training purposes. In the end it's up to the manager. It would be silly to force nomination upon people, but it's also about getting everyone involved so people should be encouraged to put forward their team for nomination here or there. You'll work it out Len, I think we're all on the same page here.
|
|
|
Post by jamie on Jun 4, 2007 12:22:20 GMT
Hi all...
I don't feel the need to be nominated. If I can help out, then I'm cool with it- but in honesty I'd want the better/faster/more consistant team to be nominated.
|
|
|
Post by mrdad on Jun 5, 2007 0:00:14 GMT
Thanks for the comments guys... Next weeks I.1.GB rally is Catalunya - those who were there for R10 last season will remember it for the number of teams that failed to finish (about half DNF'd). The conservative approach will therefore be to nominate all of our teams outside of I.1.GB (Bart, Heix and Joe) and for Vivski and Jason to take up the remaining possies (as per Rekits suggestion). Just waiting on confirmation of these nominations.... ...and taking up Vivski's suggestion - if anyone wants to nominate a round that particularly suits them - go ahead - just remember that nominations have to be in the week before so you need to give us a bit of notice...
|
|
|
Post by dingardo on Jun 5, 2007 2:43:51 GMT
My driver isnt the best on tarmac.. so if someone else thinks they could do better then they should be nominated over me.
|
|
|
Post by mrdad on Jun 10, 2007 1:20:22 GMT
My driver isnt the best on tarmac.. so if someone else thinks they could do better then they should be nominated over me. Thanks for the update Jason - sorry - I didn't see the post until just now. My driver's best surface is snow (just in case you didn't know ) and Mitch's driver is relatively even but his best surface is gravel I think (but his experience is still only 12). I think you're probly still the best bet ATM. We'll see how it goes after this weeks rally. I found Catalunya really hard to setup - even though we won the event last season the car came back pretty well wrecked (I think we were lucky to finish). Based on the damage in R10, the engineers have done some further tweaking to the setup - let's hope that the changes they've made are the right ones, otherwise... R3 nominations are up (the same as R2) but are not yet confirmed. We'll do that once we see some results... Hurricane Vivski Dingardo Heix Reid Motorsport
|
|
|
Post by crutts on Jun 10, 2007 17:45:58 GMT
Guys, i dont want to be nominated for R3, its not a good surface for me.
|
|
|
Post by mrdad on Jun 10, 2007 21:58:13 GMT
Thanks for the advice Joe. I have nominated Mitch for R3 in your place (his driver is good on gravel) We should have nominated Mitch this week - he's going well and in P3 after Jason and I dropped out... Looks like I got the setup wrong - my car is even more wrecked than the last time the team was entered for Catalunya...
|
|
|
Post by crutts on Jun 12, 2007 7:59:55 GMT
Just to let you guys know, ive sold the A8 and im getting a A7. It should make me competitive due to the fact its all maxi rather than mini.
|
|